Comments on: The end http://erika.haub.net/the-end/09/ Erika Carney Haub's musings on life and God from South Central, L.A. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:40:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Tom http://erika.haub.net/the-end/09/comment-page-1/#comment-254851 Tom Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:20:53 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/the-end/09/#comment-254851 Just finished my second board meeting yesterday with a new work I'm starting. We wanna help gifted folks with new ideas who wanna do mission and practical service among poor people to get their call off the ground. My board members are the head IT guy for one of the big American banks that recently went under in the ongoing financial chaos, the guy who's heading up the next Urbana missionary convention, a NASA engineer and Cal Tech grad student, and a consultant for the Orange County Business Council who moonlights as a professor of political science at Cal State Long Beach. We spent a good bit of our 4 hour meeting yesterday discussing these very issues. Important stuff. Do the lost sometimes (often) have better ideas and capabilities than Christians in bringing about practical and positive social change? Should a Christian organization trying to bring about practical good for the least--perhaps on the model of Habitat for Humanity--pro-actively work with and intimately involve the lost? Or should Christians who want to bring about important social change exclude the lost? How do Christians who want to include the lost in their organizations in order to best encourage social change also make a clear witness for Jesus? Grace is pretty relevant :^) Just finished my second board meeting yesterday with a new work I’m starting.

We wanna help gifted folks with new ideas who wanna do mission and practical service among poor people to get their call off the ground.

My board members are the head IT guy for one of the big American banks that recently went under in the ongoing financial chaos, the guy who’s heading up the next Urbana missionary convention, a NASA engineer and Cal Tech grad student, and a consultant for the Orange County Business Council who moonlights as a professor of political science at Cal State Long Beach.

We spent a good bit of our 4 hour meeting yesterday discussing these very issues. Important stuff.

Do the lost sometimes (often) have better ideas and capabilities than Christians in bringing about practical and positive social change?

Should a Christian organization trying to bring about practical good for the least–perhaps on the model of Habitat for Humanity–pro-actively work with and intimately involve the lost?

Or should Christians who want to bring about important social change exclude the lost?

How do Christians who want to include the lost in their organizations in order to best encourage social change also make a clear witness for Jesus?

Grace is pretty relevant :^)

]]> By: grace http://erika.haub.net/the-end/09/comment-page-1/#comment-254272 grace Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:23:11 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/the-end/09/#comment-254272 Thanks for the link Erika. I agree that it is good to be mindful of continually challenging our assumptions and of exposing ourselves to perspectives that might open us to a different point of view. Thanks for the link Erika.
I agree that it is good to be mindful of continually challenging our assumptions and of exposing ourselves to perspectives that might open us to a different point of view.

]]> By: Patty http://erika.haub.net/the-end/09/comment-page-1/#comment-253497 Patty Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:50:56 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/the-end/09/#comment-253497 have you read donald miller's, Searching for God Knows What? in it, he suggests that jesus coming from nazareth may be the same thing as jesus coming again as a back woods hick from arkansas, with a thick accent, missing a tooth, and just not looking at all like what we expect. would we be willing to listen to that person? he's not glamorous at all. and i really appreciate your friend's notion that the lost are not christ's enemies. it is painfully true that "so often the wrath of God, His hatred of sin, is communicated as hatred of the lost." so many email forwards i get portray just that. it makes me so sad that we have totally missed the point so often. thanks for the post. have you read donald miller’s, Searching for God Knows What? in it, he suggests that jesus coming from nazareth may be the same thing as jesus coming again as a back woods hick from arkansas, with a thick accent, missing a tooth, and just not looking at all like what we expect. would we be willing to listen to that person? he’s not glamorous at all. and i really appreciate your friend’s notion that the lost are not christ’s enemies. it is painfully true that “so often the wrath of God, His hatred of sin, is communicated as hatred of the lost.” so many email forwards i get portray just that. it makes me so sad that we have totally missed the point so often. thanks for the post.

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