Comments on: Quotation of the Week http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/ Erika Carney Haub's musings on life and God from South Central, L.A. Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:55:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Ray - church planter, Kalamazoo, MI http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62552 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:28:31 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62552 Yes! A resounding yes to Ogden. I have learned that it is easy to get a crowd but God must develop disciples. Converts are not hard to make but disciples must be forged by the work of the Spirit. This can only be done when we are sold out, following humbly after him. Technology won't do it, a great band won't do it and good preaching is empty without it. Follow hard! Yes! A resounding yes to Ogden. I have learned that it is easy to get a crowd but God must develop disciples. Converts are not hard to make but disciples must be forged by the work of the Spirit. This can only be done when we are sold out, following humbly after him. Technology won’t do it, a great band won’t do it and good preaching is empty without it.

Follow hard!

]]> by: Kim http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62199 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:21:21 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62199 Great quote - I couldn't agree more! Great quote - I couldn’t agree more!

]]> by: Tom http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62135 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:35:43 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62135 Evangelism and discipleship that don't expose people to the cost of discipleship at the front end won't pass the sniff test :^). On the other hand, Jesus followed an incremental, parabolic method in making disciples that began by appealing to people's cultural sense of self interest. He seems to have started broad in order to eventually create a potent but narrow (in a relative, numerical sense) group of followers. Jesus weeded folks out by speaking in parables and looking for those who were willing to act on his words and learn more about his mysterious sayings. He focused his efforts on the people who showed their interest by acting on his words. I think he taught clearly that most people who showed serious interest in him--even those exposed to the idea of suffering for the gospel at the front end--would eventually reject the cross because it was foolishness to the Greeks and to the mods and to the pomos and to the conventionally religious. Maybe the problem with some pomo approaches to evangelism and discipleship has less to do with an incremental approach that begins with and builds on specific cultural ideas of well being and more to do with the absence of the 'lose life' part of the salvation equation and a thoroughly un-Jesus like commitment to the idea of a widespread, popular Christian "church." Evangelism and discipleship that don’t expose people to the cost of discipleship at the front end won’t pass the sniff test :^).

On the other hand, Jesus followed an incremental, parabolic method in making disciples that began by appealing to people’s cultural sense of self interest. He seems to have started broad in order to eventually create a potent but narrow (in a relative, numerical sense) group of followers.

Jesus weeded folks out by speaking in parables and looking for those who were willing to act on his words and learn more about his mysterious sayings. He focused his efforts on the people who showed their interest by acting on his words. I think he taught clearly that most people who showed serious interest in him–even those exposed to the idea of suffering for the gospel at the front end–would eventually reject the cross because it was foolishness to the Greeks and to the mods and to the pomos and to the conventionally religious.

Maybe the problem with some pomo approaches to evangelism and discipleship has less to do with an incremental approach that begins with and builds on specific cultural ideas of well being and more to do with the absence of the ‘lose life’ part of the salvation equation and a thoroughly un-Jesus like commitment to the idea of a widespread, popular Christian “church.”

]]> by: Jennifer http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62070 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:16:42 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62070 Yes indeed, great quote. Yes indeed, great quote.

]]> by: Dustin http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62063 Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:10:24 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/quotation-of-the-week-49/08/#comment-62063 Fantastic quote which strikes at the heart of what's wrong with much of American Christianity. Fantastic quote which strikes at the heart of what’s wrong with much of American Christianity.

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