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	<title>Comments on: Missional: is it rocket science?</title>
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	<description>Erika Carney Haub's musings on life and God from South Central, L.A.</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 18:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/missional-is-it-rocket-science/05/comment-page-1/#comment-389004</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehehe, Erika...this brought back lots of memories!  I spent almost 12 years working in aerospace with aero/astro engineers (including contracts with JPL!)

You go, story girl!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehehe, Erika&#8230;this brought back lots of memories!  I spent almost 12 years working in aerospace with aero/astro engineers (including contracts with JPL!)</p>
<p>You go, story girl!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/missional-is-it-rocket-science/05/comment-page-1/#comment-167198</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stories make the world go around. No need to be apologetic about being a 'story hour kind of girl.' 

I'm working on a justice non-profit focused on helping poor folks and Christian workers who serve among them tell their stories. Gotta get that kind of stuff online and in the old media too. I think you might be helping create an important model for what may eventually become a new (and very old :^) way of communicating old things skewed old and new enough to get a hearing. 

I really appreciated Bill's call to immediate authenticity. Always good to limit the bs factor as much as possible and give current practitioners the first crack at making sense of the challenge. 

But I also appreciated a few other folk's comments that limiting input to those types restricts wisdom and the potential advance of the work. Theorists and the experienced have a lot to contribute. Most folks don't serve on the front lines in especially difficult situations over the very long haul. When on the edge, seems to me you've gotta get help where you can find it. 

One key element that struck me from Jason's comments. If you don't have experienced senior leaders who can lead a credible 'story hour' you're going to struggle as a church or as a non-profit. Seems like getting those kinds of people in place as soon as possible--especially for a ministry committed to planting holistic churches among the squatter poor in the developing world--is sort of important. Sometimes younger, more gifted, more experienced and less spiritually mature people are the best choices to lead a ministry like that as long as they get help from older and wiser and less experienced people who aren't threatened by their loss of positional status. 

In the interests of authenticity, Jason isn't actually a rocket scientist. He writes software that rocket scientists use to do their thing :^).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stories make the world go around. No need to be apologetic about being a &#8217;story hour kind of girl.&#8217; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on a justice non-profit focused on helping poor folks and Christian workers who serve among them tell their stories. Gotta get that kind of stuff online and in the old media too. I think you might be helping create an important model for what may eventually become a new (and very old :^) way of communicating old things skewed old and new enough to get a hearing. </p>
<p>I really appreciated Bill&#8217;s call to immediate authenticity. Always good to limit the bs factor as much as possible and give current practitioners the first crack at making sense of the challenge. </p>
<p>But I also appreciated a few other folk&#8217;s comments that limiting input to those types restricts wisdom and the potential advance of the work. Theorists and the experienced have a lot to contribute. Most folks don&#8217;t serve on the front lines in especially difficult situations over the very long haul. When on the edge, seems to me you&#8217;ve gotta get help where you can find it. </p>
<p>One key element that struck me from Jason&#8217;s comments. If you don&#8217;t have experienced senior leaders who can lead a credible &#8217;story hour&#8217; you&#8217;re going to struggle as a church or as a non-profit. Seems like getting those kinds of people in place as soon as possible&#8211;especially for a ministry committed to planting holistic churches among the squatter poor in the developing world&#8211;is sort of important. Sometimes younger, more gifted, more experienced and less spiritually mature people are the best choices to lead a ministry like that as long as they get help from older and wiser and less experienced people who aren&#8217;t threatened by their loss of positional status. </p>
<p>In the interests of authenticity, Jason isn&#8217;t actually a rocket scientist. He writes software that rocket scientists use to do their thing :^).</p>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/missional-is-it-rocket-science/05/comment-page-1/#comment-167189</link>
		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill and Jim,

I think we often learn more from what fails, doesn't work, etc., but not enough of us are willing to put those stories out there. I wonder, Bill, if those who are just talking without doing are in that place because what they are trying has failed or because it is simply untried. Two very different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill and Jim,</p>
<p>I think we often learn more from what fails, doesn&#8217;t work, etc., but not enough of us are willing to put those stories out there. I wonder, Bill, if those who are just talking without doing are in that place because what they are trying has failed or because it is simply untried. Two very different things.</p>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/missional-is-it-rocket-science/05/comment-page-1/#comment-167187</link>
		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, John!</description>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/missional-is-it-rocket-science/05/comment-page-1/#comment-167186</link>
		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jelani,

That post is awesome! Thanks for sharing the link. One of my close friends down here is a DJ and I have seen first-hand how hard she works. I would say it is definitely as hard as playing an instrument.

And I hear you on the theory stemming from what we go through. I guess since I know you and know your context, I read you with that in mind, so you never feel like a talking head to me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jelani,</p>
<p>That post is awesome! Thanks for sharing the link. One of my close friends down here is a DJ and I have seen first-hand how hard she works. I would say it is definitely as hard as playing an instrument.</p>
<p>And I hear you on the theory stemming from what we go through. I guess since I know you and know your context, I read you with that in mind, so you never feel like a talking head to me <img src='http://erika.haub.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jelani Greenidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jelani Greenidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely feel you on the story aspect... it's always stronger than just theory and insight by itself. Even though my writing tends to fall on the side of theory more often than not, it's usually prompted by something I saw or heard or went through.

and speaking of rocket science... check out this post about an actual DJ/rocket scientist:

http://gnatural.blogspot.com/2008/05/dj-scientific-nasa-scientist-by-day.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely feel you on the story aspect&#8230; it&#8217;s always stronger than just theory and insight by itself. Even though my writing tends to fall on the side of theory more often than not, it&#8217;s usually prompted by something I saw or heard or went through.</p>
<p>and speaking of rocket science&#8230; check out this post about an actual DJ/rocket scientist:</p>
<p><a href="http://gnatural.blogspot.com/2008/05/dj-scientific-nasa-scientist-by-day.html" rel="nofollow">http://gnatural.blogspot.com/2008/05/dj-scientific-nasa-scientist-by-day.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: john page</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/missional-is-it-rocket-science/05/comment-page-1/#comment-167028</link>
		<dc:creator>john page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oooh, this was SO good.  I do so enjoy reading your blog...good writing encourages me!  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oooh, this was SO good.  I do so enjoy reading your blog&#8230;good writing encourages me!  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Shlomo</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/missional-is-it-rocket-science/05/comment-page-1/#comment-166881</link>
		<dc:creator>Shlomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B"H

Hi Erika,

Nice site you have here. I like reading the things you write because you are a good writer and communicate your thoughts in a clear and concise manner. I like both theory and stories. It's really timely that I should stop by here this morning I guess. Lately I have been bothered by this sort of idea, "Who gets to be heard?" Bill K. and many others would tend to write someone like me off. I have a ton of thoughts and theories, but the 'living it' part is kind of thin. I recently was thinking of this. Who should listen to my ideas when I don't live them myself? This is not a matter of intentional hypocrisy, it's far more complicated than that. Even so, the bottom line is this, how can I talk about reconciliation and unity in the Body when I'm not an active part of any such group? Does the fact that I have been a believer for 35 years mean nothing? Has it been a waste of time for me to read and study or it is just a personal hobby? I like to think that knowledge has its own intrinsic worth. In my world, all truth is GOD's truth. I want to learn from many sources. I listen to those who are both younger and older than me. Although I no longer regard myself as an Evangelical Christian, I try to listen and learn as much as I can from that tradition. I wonder if I'm making sense here any more. I feel this tremendous tension because I'm in a limbo place regarding fellowship with other believers. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and stories. I am sure that those who read your posts regularly are greatly blessed by GOD.

Peace,

Shlomo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&#8221;H</p>
<p>Hi Erika,</p>
<p>Nice site you have here. I like reading the things you write because you are a good writer and communicate your thoughts in a clear and concise manner. I like both theory and stories. It&#8217;s really timely that I should stop by here this morning I guess. Lately I have been bothered by this sort of idea, &#8220;Who gets to be heard?&#8221; Bill K. and many others would tend to write someone like me off. I have a ton of thoughts and theories, but the &#8216;living it&#8217; part is kind of thin. I recently was thinking of this. Who should listen to my ideas when I don&#8217;t live them myself? This is not a matter of intentional hypocrisy, it&#8217;s far more complicated than that. Even so, the bottom line is this, how can I talk about reconciliation and unity in the Body when I&#8217;m not an active part of any such group? Does the fact that I have been a believer for 35 years mean nothing? Has it been a waste of time for me to read and study or it is just a personal hobby? I like to think that knowledge has its own intrinsic worth. In my world, all truth is GOD&#8217;s truth. I want to learn from many sources. I listen to those who are both younger and older than me. Although I no longer regard myself as an Evangelical Christian, I try to listen and learn as much as I can from that tradition. I wonder if I&#8217;m making sense here any more. I feel this tremendous tension because I&#8217;m in a limbo place regarding fellowship with other believers. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and stories. I am sure that those who read your posts regularly are greatly blessed by GOD.</p>
<p>Peace,</p>
<p>Shlomo</p>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/missional-is-it-rocket-science/05/comment-page-1/#comment-166838</link>
		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Lacy! It is always an encouragement to hear that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lacy! It is always an encouragement to hear that.</p>
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		<title>By: lacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 23:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Erika,
I have been reading your blog for some time now and just wanted to say that I have really appreciated/been challenged and encouraged by your story telling.  I have an 18 month old boy and live in suburban Chicagoland.  I've laughed, cried, and prayed much reading your blog.  Thank you for sharing your journey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Erika,<br />
I have been reading your blog for some time now and just wanted to say that I have really appreciated/been challenged and encouraged by your story telling.  I have an 18 month old boy and live in suburban Chicagoland.  I&#8217;ve laughed, cried, and prayed much reading your blog.  Thank you for sharing your journey!</p>
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