Comments on: Discipleship and potty training http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/ Erika Carney Haub's musings on life and God from South Central, L.A. Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:23:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Robyn http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80518 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:55:14 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80518 So well said, Erika. All of it. So well said, Erika. All of it.

]]> by: pattytruck http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80354 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:05:45 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80354 ok, i can see where he might go with that one. i guess could be potentially harmful if he saw ALL cheerios as targets... ok, i can see where he might go with that one. i guess could be potentially harmful if he saw ALL cheerios as targets…

]]> by: erika http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80325 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:15:30 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80325 Patty, Okay, the cheerio thing just about killed me...You need to meet Aaron to fully understand where my mind went in imagining what kind of ramifications that could have in our household :) Patty,

Okay, the cheerio thing just about killed me…You need to meet Aaron to fully understand where my mind went in imagining what kind of ramifications that could have in our household :)

]]> by: erika http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80324 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:13:25 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80324 Jared, I'm glad you brought up the busyness factor...the impact of this on how we see our life as a Christ-follower is enormous, and it is probably largely responsible for why we (the church) became so program-driven: everything needs to fit into tightly packed schedules... Jared,

I’m glad you brought up the busyness factor…the impact of this on how we see our life as a Christ-follower is enormous, and it is probably largely responsible for why we (the church) became so program-driven: everything needs to fit into tightly packed schedules…

]]> by: erika http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80323 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:10:13 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-80323 Beyond Words, I totally agree! It is the harder path, I think. Yet also the easier yoke somehow... Beyond Words,

I totally agree! It is the harder path, I think. Yet also the easier yoke somehow…

]]> by: Beyond Words http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79844 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:13:40 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79844 Erika, blessings to you for being available. More and more I'm realizing my home is the place discipleship happens. The fact you're doing it in the context of real life and family makes it so much more tangible and applicable than an abstract church program. Erika, blessings to you for being available. More and more I’m realizing my home is the place discipleship happens.

The fact you’re doing it in the context of real life and family makes it so much more tangible and applicable than an abstract church program.

]]> by: Jennifer http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79837 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:39:42 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79837 Beautiful, Erika ... For me the application is how to write social policy instead of how to do church, and I thank you for affirming those of us who were trying to hold out for something more, but do wonder at times whether we're crazy not to settle for the compromise. You always encourage me not to settle and make me feel better in the bargain, even while juggling everything else you have to do. Thank you so much for that. What a wonderfully creative ministry you manage to maintain in His strength. Remarkable, really. Beautiful, Erika … For me the application is how to write social policy instead of how to do church, and I thank you for affirming those of us who were trying to hold out for something more, but do wonder at times whether we’re crazy not to settle for the compromise. You always encourage me not to settle and make me feel better in the bargain, even while juggling everything else you have to do. Thank you so much for that. What a wonderfully creative ministry you manage to maintain in His strength. Remarkable, really.

]]> by: pattytruck http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79836 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:38 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79836 just in case it might help with the "missed target" aspect of potty training...throw a few cheerios in the bowl and tell him to sink them. i think that worked with abe. i'm impressed that willow creek could publicly admit that they'd missed the point. the modern church has been very programmatic in the last few decades, but i feel like things are shifting to a more relational focus. makes me excited... just in case it might help with the “missed target” aspect of potty training…throw a few cheerios in the bowl and tell him to sink them. i think that worked with abe. i’m impressed that willow creek could publicly admit that they’d missed the point. the modern church has been very programmatic in the last few decades, but i feel like things are shifting to a more relational focus. makes me excited…

]]> by: Jared http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79826 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:11:23 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79826 well... you know, Francis Schaeffer used to just drop everything he was working on when a needy person showed up. (don't get me wrong, I'm like you, i don't have time for that.) But he and Edith were always willing and happy to sit and take all the time necessary to pour into the lives of others. I think that's what we miss so much in our busy lives. thats why we tried the programs over the last so many years. Sadly, Willow Creek discovered what the rest of us knew - it all comes down to investing time into relationships. As the people of God we need to stop neglecting each other. At least I do.... well… you know, Francis Schaeffer used to just drop everything he was working on when a needy person showed up. (don’t get me wrong, I’m like you, i don’t have time for that.)

But he and Edith were always willing and happy to sit and take all the time necessary to pour into the lives of others. I think that’s what we miss so much in our busy lives. thats why we tried the programs over the last so many years.

Sadly, Willow Creek discovered what the rest of us knew - it all comes down to investing time into relationships. As the people of God we need to stop neglecting each other. At least I do….

]]> by: john page http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79822 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:30:30 +0000 http://erika.haub.net/discipleship-and-potty-training/10/#comment-79822 That last paragraph pretty much sums up the (sweeping generalization coming..) boomer-driven, mega-church, buffet of programs type of church. And it doesn't work. Even without Willow Creek's survey, which is pretty gutsy to do and release, it's evident that the last 15-20 years of Church Growth principles haven't really enabled the "churched" to make an impact in their communities. Liked this metaphor, as I have small kids too. You write Real. That last paragraph pretty much sums up the (sweeping generalization coming..) boomer-driven, mega-church, buffet of programs type of church.
And it doesn’t work. Even without Willow Creek’s survey, which is pretty gutsy to do and release, it’s evident that the last 15-20 years of Church Growth principles haven’t really enabled the “churched” to make an impact in their communities.

Liked this metaphor, as I have small kids too. You write Real.

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