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	<description>Erika Carney Haub's musings on life and God from South Central, L.A.</description>
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		<title>By: --julie</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/connections/02/comment-page-1/#comment-446495</link>
		<dc:creator>--julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friends and I have split a CSA... meaning we each pick up produce every other week, because it was too much to use in one week. Just a thought for you in trying to gather 20 families..some might be more likely to participate if they can share with another family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends and I have split a CSA&#8230; meaning we each pick up produce every other week, because it was too much to use in one week. Just a thought for you in trying to gather 20 families..some might be more likely to participate if they can share with another family.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/connections/02/comment-page-1/#comment-446084</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>although now that i've read all the other comments, it seems there's more to think about too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although now that i&#8217;ve read all the other comments, it seems there&#8217;s more to think about too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/connections/02/comment-page-1/#comment-446069</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are you reading my mind?  jeff and i were just talking about exactly this.  a church from tustin came and gave their pitch to him about being far more green-conscious as a church, and one specific point was participating with a CSA and having our church be a drop off point.  i'd be so into it.  and pretty much everyone i've talked with feels the same.  there are lots of them here in orange county, so we're looking into it too.  i hope it works for you!  it seems like such an easy way to foster health on many different levels!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you reading my mind?  jeff and i were just talking about exactly this.  a church from tustin came and gave their pitch to him about being far more green-conscious as a church, and one specific point was participating with a CSA and having our church be a drop off point.  i&#8217;d be so into it.  and pretty much everyone i&#8217;ve talked with feels the same.  there are lots of them here in orange county, so we&#8217;re looking into it too.  i hope it works for you!  it seems like such an easy way to foster health on many different levels!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/connections/02/comment-page-1/#comment-444734</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure. 

Some resources.

Best 'big picture' book: 

"The End of Poverty"  by Jeff Sachs. 
Sachs is the economist behind a lot of the best practical work on behalf of the poor around the world.  The book--basically,  a history explaining how poor countries and people make their way out of abject poverty--was a NY Times best seller for a couple of years. 

Next best 'big picture' book. "Globalization and Its Discontents" by Joseph Stiglitz. Nobel Prize winner in economics with a take that many progressive evangelicals will appreciate while feeling challenged. 

Best 'weekly' input. 

"The Economist." 

In my mind, a pretty essential read. Don't be put off by the title. Strongest general interest mag around with great takes on culture, politics, religion, technology, and economics, with a format that focuses on various regions of the world.  

All of 'em try to explain--at least abstractly--how the mostly coastal, culturally elite thing for organic agriculture and local markets does and doesn't do much good for the poorest people overseas. 

No really good evangelical take on current economics, and certainly no paragraph length explanation suitable for blog comments. Some smart Christian stuff in the past but mostly outdated by now.  

Our strong desire for relatively easy answers and our love/hate relationship with money--mostly love over the past thirty years--puts us at a disadvantage when trying to make sense of complicated and potentially dangerous/fruitful encounters with bread, bones and Benjamins :^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure. </p>
<p>Some resources.</p>
<p>Best &#8216;big picture&#8217; book: </p>
<p>&#8220;The End of Poverty&#8221;  by Jeff Sachs.<br />
Sachs is the economist behind a lot of the best practical work on behalf of the poor around the world.  The book&#8211;basically,  a history explaining how poor countries and people make their way out of abject poverty&#8211;was a NY Times best seller for a couple of years. </p>
<p>Next best &#8216;big picture&#8217; book. &#8220;Globalization and Its Discontents&#8221; by Joseph Stiglitz. Nobel Prize winner in economics with a take that many progressive evangelicals will appreciate while feeling challenged. </p>
<p>Best &#8216;weekly&#8217; input. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Economist.&#8221; </p>
<p>In my mind, a pretty essential read. Don&#8217;t be put off by the title. Strongest general interest mag around with great takes on culture, politics, religion, technology, and economics, with a format that focuses on various regions of the world.  </p>
<p>All of &#8216;em try to explain&#8211;at least abstractly&#8211;how the mostly coastal, culturally elite thing for organic agriculture and local markets does and doesn&#8217;t do much good for the poorest people overseas. </p>
<p>No really good evangelical take on current economics, and certainly no paragraph length explanation suitable for blog comments. Some smart Christian stuff in the past but mostly outdated by now.  </p>
<p>Our strong desire for relatively easy answers and our love/hate relationship with money&#8211;mostly love over the past thirty years&#8211;puts us at a disadvantage when trying to make sense of complicated and potentially dangerous/fruitful encounters with bread, bones and Benjamins :^)</p>
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		<title>By: Staci</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/connections/02/comment-page-1/#comment-444314</link>
		<dc:creator>Staci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes please!  I have grand intentions of making it to the farmer's market every weekend but I'd probably do better if it (in part) came to me.  Please put me (us!!) on the list. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes please!  I have grand intentions of making it to the farmer&#8217;s market every weekend but I&#8217;d probably do better if it (in part) came to me.  Please put me (us!!) on the list. <img src='http://erika.haub.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 04:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I really appreciate what you've added to the discussion here. Can you point me toward some resources that would help flesh out this tension a bit more?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I really appreciate what you&#8217;ve added to the discussion here. Can you point me toward some resources that would help flesh out this tension a bit more?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/connections/02/comment-page-1/#comment-441956</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 04:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being progressive about food can be challenging. 

We've supported various agri-cooperative, organic, 'get a local face on the food' schemes over the years too and get why that's important. 

My daughter recently served as the 'kitchen goddess' ('cook and buyer' in the prosaic language of most of us over the age of 40 ;^) at a room and board organic cooperative at Stanford.

We've been all in re supporting the local organic farming yokel. 

Here's the thing, though.

That 'put a face on the organic local produce' approach among liberal types in the developed world mostly damages poor farmers and the agricultural economies that depend on them in the developing world. 

If you're interested in serving really poor people in the developing world, at least in the short run, better to shop at places like Safeway (which get a lot of their food from poor overseas markets) and do all you can to end the agricultural tariffs we erect to block produce from poor countries and the subsidies we give to our own farmers. 

I wish our choices were more cut and dried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being progressive about food can be challenging. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve supported various agri-cooperative, organic, &#8216;get a local face on the food&#8217; schemes over the years too and get why that&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>My daughter recently served as the &#8216;kitchen goddess&#8217; (&#8217;cook and buyer&#8217; in the prosaic language of most of us over the age of 40 ;^) at a room and board organic cooperative at Stanford.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been all in re supporting the local organic farming yokel. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, though.</p>
<p>That &#8216;put a face on the organic local produce&#8217; approach among liberal types in the developed world mostly damages poor farmers and the agricultural economies that depend on them in the developing world. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in serving really poor people in the developing world, at least in the short run, better to shop at places like Safeway (which get a lot of their food from poor overseas markets) and do all you can to end the agricultural tariffs we erect to block produce from poor countries and the subsidies we give to our own farmers. </p>
<p>I wish our choices were more cut and dried.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/connections/02/comment-page-1/#comment-441673</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love our CSA. As Teresa mentioned, it's a great discipline for eating well and learning to overcome your fear of new ingredients!  Our farm is only a mile or two from the house, so pickups are easy. Hope it works out to organize a pickup location at your church -- sounds like a great way to meet some neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love our CSA. As Teresa mentioned, it&#8217;s a great discipline for eating well and learning to overcome your fear of new ingredients!  Our farm is only a mile or two from the house, so pickups are easy. Hope it works out to organize a pickup location at your church &#8212; sounds like a great way to meet some neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
		<link>http://erika.haub.net/connections/02/comment-page-1/#comment-441175</link>
		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candace,

Let's do it! So far that is us, Ingrid, and you...only seventeen households to go! We need to figure out a way to get the word out, both in our church family and in the neighborhood, pretty quickly if we want to do it in time for Summer. Fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candace,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s do it! So far that is us, Ingrid, and you&#8230;only seventeen households to go! We need to figure out a way to get the word out, both in our church family and in the neighborhood, pretty quickly if we want to do it in time for Summer. Fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's so funny you wrote about this!  I just heard a thing on NPR about it today, and we're very interested.  We used Organic Roots for awhile, and they were fabulous, but if we could do a CSA deal and have church be the drop-off point, it would be even better.  Let me know if you want help organizing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so funny you wrote about this!  I just heard a thing on NPR about it today, and we&#8217;re very interested.  We used Organic Roots for awhile, and they were fabulous, but if we could do a CSA deal and have church be the drop-off point, it would be even better.  Let me know if you want help organizing!</p>
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